The Avenger's Corner

Jack · Subject: Oh, really? Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:08 pm

sandman wrote:

I've watched your crap, Jack. You are either incapable of real logic or playing dumb otherwise you wouldn't need to ask such damn stupid questions.

I'm sure glad you didn't drop the "r" in 'your' in this post, like you did in your last post! I'd have gotten really paranoid....

Meanwhile: to which "such damn stupid questions" do you refer in your own inimitable way? I really don't recall asking you any questions, since you seem to have only attitudes and not answers.

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sandman · Subject: Re: The Avenger's Corner Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:37 pm

What are you waiting for Jack. A sign from god? You're a slow learner. Either adjust to that or live with it.

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Jack · Subject: Safety first -- at all costs! Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:17 pm

sandman wrote:

What are you waiting for Jack. A sign from god? You're a slow learner. Either adjust to that or live with it.

Oh, NOW I get it! You're telling me that only God knows whether every (other) troll is Jeff (you and your anonymous cohort of course excepted).
And that I should open my heart and mind to God, and He will tell me that Jeff is evil.
And that if I should somehow be unable to do that, I'll have to "adjust to that or live with it".

OK so far? I've read your diatribe correctly? I've interpreted your snark successfully? Sorry it took me so long; I'm a 'slow learner', you know.

However: Aside from the fact that adjusting to it and living with it are equivalents, the rest of your pitiful little screed leaves something to be desired, so far as actually responding to the challenge I posed is concerned. But then, if Jeff's evilness is a matter of faith to you, without the necessity for works or basis, I guess I can't argue with a True Believer. I also learned a long time ago that it just ain't worth it -- you can't change a closed mind.

But do be careful; True Believers have a long and detailed history of being mistaken, often to their own sorrow and chagrin. So until that happens, be happy in your faith.

The Bisbee Avenger · Subject: Re: The Avenger's Corner Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:17 pm

Jack wrote:

And we "know" this exactly HOW? If they are unattributed, is in not in fact only your feelings and suspicions that they're his? As I've said before, where is the PROOF for your paranoia? Certainly, Eric, you're willing to acknowledge the fact that he may not be your only enemy -- that others may well be voicing their own grievances, and be made even more aggrieved by the fact that you and your little cadre refuse to grant them standing, so that you can accuse Jeff?

The problem is, Jack, that it is quite possible that a 3rd party is pitting my group and the Jeff supporters against one another, for those people's own purposes.

Several years ago, I had a nutcase on probation for domestic violence that reached felony status. The girlfriend, who still lived in the home, called me one day from her place of work and reported that she was afraid that the guy was going back into a cycle and was going to hurt her and their daughter. Although the concerns were vague, I decided that protecting the potential victim was my highest priority, and I assisted her in making arrangements to get out of the house and into a safe place while he was at work, then I arrested him on several (rather minor) probation violations.

It turns out that the girlfriend was manipulating the situation, in order to come to the rescue and be the hero to her boyfriend. She helped to get him released on good conditions, and testified that he was a good man who would be doing even better if it weren't for those unfair people an the probation department - but that she would make sure that he'd be OK anyway. It was quite the lovey-dovey scene.

That was a real eye-opener to me. I still believe that abused women rarely lie about their abuse - it does happen, of course - and that you have to take it seriously, but I also know that a small percentage will lie and deceive to achieve their needs. And even of that small group, I think that MOST genuinely think that they are doing what they need to do, and don't intend to hurt anyone else.

So, it's quite possible that some of the people who are my "enemies" are also Jeff's enemies, and they are using me to get to him.

(Which is quite a bit different than the theory that suggests that Jeff himself is manipulating things so that he causes himself to be attacked by me, in addition to the people who work for the city, who are elected to office, and who he thinks are in the Bisbee "power structure," so that he can claim to be an innocent victim of City Hall, and use that victimhood as "proof" of corruption, and cause himself to be elected to office on the platform of restoring ethics to local government. I think this theory is a bit "too Hollywood" to be anywhere CLOSE to realty, BTW.)

Jack · Subject: Re: The Avenger's Corner Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:33 pm

"Reality" by its own reality, excludes any possibility of Jeff being elected to anything. That being the case, to what possible end would some undefined third-party (group or individual) attempt to further this Jeff-Eric vendetta?

To be blunt, I consider it faintly possible that Jeff's current efforts at his election are being HELPED by your (and your cheering section's) vendetta. Speaking as one who is very familiar with the feeling of not being universally loved, I strongly urge you to recognize that same reality in yourself. . . and consider that those who do not love you may be impelled by their feelings to grant Jeff some spurious sympathy -- and the occasional vote.

Again I urge on you and yours a course of discretion about the evil Harris monster. To put it simply: he ain't got a chance unless you all help him to build one.

Think about it.

The Bisbee Avenger · Subject: Re: The Avenger's Corner Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:57 pm

Jack wrote:

"Reality" by its own reality, excludes any possibility of Jeff being elected to anything. That being the case, to what possible end would some undefined third-party (group or individual) attempt to further this Jeff-Eric vendetta?

There's more than just an election involved here, Jack.

That being the case, there are ends, unrelated to any elections, that a third-party may be pursuing.

And, as much as I don't want to be thown under the bus, I can't say I'd blame a third party for doing so if they thought it was the only reasonable and effective means of reaching a critical goal. In other words, if there's no malicious intent, I'll get over it faster.

The Bisbee Avenger · Subject: Re: The Avenger's Corner Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:02 pm

Jack wrote:

...To be blunt, I consider it faintly possible that Jeff's current efforts at his election are being HELPED by your (and your cheering section's) vendetta.

Think about it.

BTW, I HAVE thought about it. That's why I mentioned above that there's a "theory that suggests that Jeff himself is manipulating things so that he causes himself to be attacked... and cause himself to be elected to office on the platform of restoring ethics to local government."

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Jack, Had Eric not gone over to TOPIX, nothing would have happened. You fostered this mess, ending it is simple. Shut up.

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Jack, you are slime. This is exactly what you wanted to happen. You got everyone to stay out of topix. It is a good thing after all. It has backfired.

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Jack · Subject: Re: The Avenger's Corner Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:54 pm

Sheeeesh! First you people attack me for attacking Eric, and now when Eric and I have reached an accommodation and are having a civilized and reasonable discussion, I'm still collecting feces from you -- apparently because I came over here to talk to Eric (who has a mind and viewpoints I regard, if not always respect).

What will it take to make you happy? And no, seppuku is not among the options.

I've never made any secret of the fact that I consider Topix to be a toxic environment (perhaps by design), just as I've never hesitated to say that this board is so concerned with its own comfort and 'safety' as to be utterly boring. My only forays here for the past months have been to try to rouse you folks from your torpor, first to aid Eric when he could have used some support, and then just on general principles -- just in case some here weren't TOTALLY numb.

I've also made no secret of the fact that I will follow and engage in the exchange of ideas. Again, the reason I've not been here (and I have followed your board) is simply because no one here seemed to have anything much to say. Well, now Eric's back, and this place may liven up.

Meanwhile: Who in the HELL do you think you are, to attempt to expunge a conversation between two other people?

The Bisbee Avenger · Subject: Re: The Avenger's Corner Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:13 pm

Jack, I honestly believe that you are cheerleading BOTH sides, in order to keeping things rolling along here, with battles continuing between both camps, for your own amusement.

You would have been a regular patron of the Roman Colosseum.

Jack · Subject: Don't think so..... Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:49 pm

The Bisbee Avenger wrote:

Jack, I honestly believe that you are cheerleading BOTH sides, in order to keeping things rolling along here, with battles continuing between both camps, for your own amusement.

You would have been a regular patron of the Roman Colosseum.

I'm really not 'cheerleading' any side (except for Betty, and you know we differ there). I'm over here talking with you (and your cheerled are not amused); I'm over there doing my usual thing of putting whatever two cents worth into the mix. I'm genuinely not aware of trying to foment any battles at this point -- except with the usual gang of idiots and "Dum Dum"s.

I will admit to doing all this for my own amusement; I've never made the slightest secret of that. But I am most assuredly not looking for, nor trying to incite, a Colosseum bloodbath. Search back in your memory a whole 20 hours, and you'll recall my suggesting a lessening of hostilities for the duration of an election period.

I will also admit to coming back here largely because you made a decision to decamp from Topix -- and I enjoy our debates, our rare agreements and affiliations, and even our bitter struggles. I've always told you that you've a mind I enjoy engaging, for good or ill.

The question then becomes: Where's the evil? Tell you what: If you'd prefer that you and I ignore each other, let me know -- here, in this forum. That way, your cadre will know of your decision; I'll do my best to abide by it, if you will!