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PostSubject: More Fires   Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:28 am

This fire near Phoenix should remind us that we are still in danger too. We need laws to encourage people to clean up their property. I hope the candidates are listening.
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PostSubject: Re: More Fires   Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:39 pm

Courier wrote:
This fire near Phoenix should remind us that we are still in danger too. We need laws to encourage people to clean up their property. I hope the candidates are listening.
The smoke cloud is drifting over my area, and dropping ashes on my house, car, clothing, and so forth.
Some of those houses in Bisbee are firetraps, disasters waiting to happen to entire blocks. We should ask Jeff how protecting people's rights to keep and bear trash benefits the entire community.
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PostSubject: Re: More Fires   Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:56 pm

The fire safety issue is one that nobody would argue against. I think that is something that simply got past everyone's radar. It is a zoning issue that makes sense.
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PostSubject: Re: More Fires   Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:53 pm

Too bad our past zoning board member was so focused on his own self interest he couldn't appreciate the benefits of strict zoning laws.
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PostSubject: Re: More Fires   Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:52 pm

COURIER WROTE:
....We need laws to encourage people to clean up their property......

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
Allow me to present flawed reasoning as phrased by Courier.

It is not "laws" that encourage people to clean away flamable debris from their properties but common sense. They do it regardless of a city attorney's arduously crafted heavy handed ordinances.

To imply that laws will change behaviour, that people will endanger their property without laws, is missguided.
To insurate that Jeff's (and his petition signers') opposition to a repressive city laws that might aid fire prevention, is equally dumb.

Just for the record, Courier, Bisbee already has laws that encourage people to clear away debris that might be hazardous or aesthetically offending. The new law would just add a bludgeon to existing edicts.
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PostSubject: Common Sense   Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:05 am

Thunderc wrote:

It is not "laws" that encourage people to clean away flamable debris from their properties but common sense.






Today we mourn the passing of an old friend by the name of
Common Sense. Common Sense, AKA C.S., lived a long life but died from heart
failure at the brink of the millennium. No one really knows how old he was
since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He
selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes, factories
and offices, helping folks get jobs done without fanfare and foolishness.


For decades, petty rules, silly laws and frivolous
lawsuits held no power over C.S. He was credited with cultivating such valued
lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, the early bird gets the
worm, and life isn't always fair. C.S. lived by simple, sound financial
policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies
(the adults are in charge, not the kids).


A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great
depression, and the Technological Revolution C.S. survived cultural and
educational trends including feminism, body piercing, whole language and
"new math". But his health declined when he became infected with the
"If-It-Only-Helps-One-Person-It's-Worth-It" virus. In recent decades
his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of overbearing federal
regulation. He watched in pain as good people became ruled by self-seeking
lawyers and enlightened auditors. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools
endlessly implemented zero tolerance policies, reports of 6-year-old boys
charged with sexual harassment for kissing classmate, a teen suspended for
taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher fired for reprimanding an
unruly student.


Finally, C.S. lost his will to live as the Ten
Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received
better treatment than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses in
everything from Boy Scouts to professional sports. As the end neared, C.S.
drifted in and out of logic but was kept informed of developments, regarding
questionable regulations for asbestos, low flow toilets, "smart"
guns, the nurturing of Prohibition Laws and mandatory air bags. Finally when
told that the homeowners association restricted exterior furniture only to that
which enhanced property values, he breathed his last.


C.S. was preceded in death by his parents Truth and Trust;
his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is
survived by three stepbrothers, Rights, Tolerance, and Whiner, Not many
attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
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PostSubject: Re: More Fires   Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:32 pm

Nice post there DD40, but you're not the author. Why not post where you got it?
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PostSubject: Re: More Fires   Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:59 am

I donít know who wrote it nor do I remember
where it came from.
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PostSubject: Re: More Fires   Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:50 am

In memoriam: The passing of Common Sense was composed May 30, 2005 by Beth Quinn with the Times Herald-Record.Beth Quinn columns











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PostSubject: Re: More Fires   Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:47 am

thunderc wrote:
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
Allow me to present flawed reasoning as phrased by Courier.

It
is not "laws" that encourage people to clean away flamable debris from
their properties but common sense. They do it regardless of a city
attorney's arduously crafted heavy handed ordinances.

To imply that laws will change behaviour, that people will endanger their property without laws, is missguided.
To
insurate that Jeff's (and his petition signers') opposition to a
repressive city laws that might aid fire prevention, is equally dumb.

Just
for the record, Courier, Bisbee already has laws that encourage people
to clear away debris that might be hazardous or aesthetically
offending. The new law would just add a bludgeon to existing edicts.

Most people don't fear common restrictions to zoning but since this poster and a few others are afraid of them we should try to be considerate however we can't abandon establishing or updating such rules merely to protect the philosophic comfort levels of a few. Since one man's trash will always be another man's treasure the law must be regularly updated to represent everyone's evolving standards of decency if it to remain equitable to all.
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PostSubject: Re: More Fires   Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:00 am

Courier, you obviously have not read the proposed changes to Bisbee's junk ordinances or you would see they are not updates or improvements but mostly threats and intimidations.
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PostSubject: Re: More Fires   Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:48 pm

Wrong. I have read them and didn't even get shaky in the knees.
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PostSubject: Re: More Fires   Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:47 am

TOM TOM:



The word doc I have of ; Today we mourn the passing of an old friend by the name
of Common Sense. is dated 3/2002, it may be older than that. It may be that
Beth Quinn printed it long after.
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