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PostSubject: CORRUPTION IN BISBEE   Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:17 pm

At some point it is going to dawn on those who consistently claim there is corruption in city government that there are several unfailing principles of approved research that they seem to ignore.

The first is that the simplest way to form a hypothesis is by observation and documentation. Observe what is going on in an experiment and keep track of it. Then use that information to form a simple hypothesis. What is a simple hypothesis? When all things are true a hypothesis can be inferred from the commonality relevent to those true components.

Next, test and retest your hypothesis. Inaccurate research and documentation will result in a faulty hypothesis. A scientist must be open to results contrary to the ones expected. When testing a hypothesis one must not become so fixated on an expected result that they are unable to see errors in research. Never try to force results to fit an anticipated hypothesis.

Indicators of a good hypothesis is a theory that can be repeated by others and that provides the same conclusion. However, if you have taken your hypothesis and observed results to others, let's say attorney's, or county and state offices and they fail to reach the same conclusion, you should be open enough to at least consider the possibility your hypothesis is wrong. While there are notable exceptions to this rule, the odds indicate it is more likely that HE is an idiot and not Galileo.
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PostSubject: If the shoe doesn't fit, cut off their toes   Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:05 pm

Lame In reference to the above post, this is exactly what I see Harris and Von Gundlach trying to do with their accusations of HURF money being misued. However, that is their recent soapbox on a soapbox. Harris is going to prove one way or the other that his theory of Bisbee Government corruption is true. Eeew According to Harris, every person in our government is corrupt and need to be taken down. owned
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PostSubject: Re: Gulch Gestapo Swoops into Ward 2   Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:36 pm

It is good to see so many fresh faces in here...
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PostSubject: Re: Gulch Gestapo Swoops into Ward 2   Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:58 pm

FrauBleuchre wrote:
It is good to see so many fresh faces in here...


This is going to be a hot forum thumbs up
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PostSubject: Re: Gulch Gestapo Swoops into Ward 2   Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:06 pm

FrauBleuchre wrote:
It is good to see so many fresh faces in here...

BTW, is that topix poster still talking to himself ad nauseum? hammered
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PostSubject: Re: Gulch Gestapo Swoops into Ward 2   Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:00 pm

Flip Flpoppin' Flap-Jack hasn't stopped in two days know it all now. He has now decided that once is not enough. Rolling Eyes Twice is better. Sleep Two posts for every one. on a soapbox
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PostSubject: Re: Gulch Gestapo Swoops into Ward 2   Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:34 pm

Lady Zannah wrote:
Flip Flpoppin' Flap-Jack hasn't stopped in two days know it all now. He has now decided that once is not enough. Rolling Eyes Twice is better. Sleep Two posts for every one. on a soapbox

He must have entered the manic phase of his unfortunate condition.
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PostSubject: Jack's Mind has been taken over by black magic   Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:35 pm

Jack has gone crazy Ranting .
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PostSubject: Re: Gulch Gestapo Swoops into Ward 2   Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:41 pm

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Jack has gone crazy Ranting .

You know, a LOT of us have thought about going crazy at one time or another - But Jack, (God bless him,) he's really gone and done something about it.
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PostSubject: Flip Floppin' Flap-Jack   Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:45 pm

Stratos wrote:
Jack has gone crazy Ranting .
Lady Zannah thinks Flip Floppin' Flap-Jack makes more sense when he talks to himself looney Next it will be in 37 languages. afraid
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PostSubject: Re: Gulch Gestapo Swoops into Ward 2   Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:14 pm

Lady Zannah wrote:
Stratos wrote:
Jack has gone crazy Ranting .
Lady Zannah thinks Flip Floppin' Flap-Jack makes more sense when he talks to himself looney Next it will be in 37 languages. afraid

I suspect he really wants to post here, but it's probably to fun and upbeat for him.
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PostSubject: Jack-Hammer"s Topix   Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:01 pm

The Bisbee Avenger wrote:
Stratos wrote:
Jack has gone crazy Ranting .

You know, a LOT of us have thought about going crazy at one time or another - But Jack, (God bless him,) he's really gone and done something about it.
Lady Zannah sees : Dems mooned has taken over the whole Bisbee Topix, Lady Zannah shall call him Jack Hammered hammered .
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PostSubject: Frothing and Fuming   Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:53 pm

Looks as if Jeff Harris is really angry. Has anyone else noticed that the level of his vitriol increases the more upset he gets. It must be going absolutely rabid.

Jeff's BS Meter is on overload.
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PostSubject: Jeffrey Harris maligned and harassed by City Hall in Observer Letter   Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:33 pm

The following letter entitled "City Officials Exhibit Bad Manners" by Jeffrey N. Tratten, Bisbee appeared in today's (2/14/08) "Bisbee Observer" under "Letters to the Editor":


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PostSubject: Re: Gulch Gestapo Swoops into Ward 2   Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:44 pm

Maligned and harassed?

Once again, we see that some people hold the opinion that ANY questioning of or about Mr. Harris is considered to be an attack and therefore out-of-bounds. Rolling Eyes

He can claim that city officials are engaged in criminal activities - but if they reply that that is silly, why, he's being stifled and mistreated!


I should add that the "sneers and heckling" from the audience was the expression of the audience's opinion, and Mr. Harris & his misguided supporters should pay attention to it, lest they continue to misjudge current public sentiment .


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PostSubject: La La Land resident   Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:50 pm

More to the point it shows just how out of touch Jeff is with the mood of those around him. People were fidgeting and getting bored as he went on and on and on. Is he that socially stupid that he didn't notice that he was NOT the hit of the evening? Nobody was rude to that buffoon, but other people did have a right to speak too. What an asshole
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PostSubject: Oh YEAH that's the one   Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:58 pm

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Tioga wrote:
Please direct your questions to John Charley.

When he didn't like what a reporter was writing, he
did a background check on him. When it turned up
squeaky clean JC went to the reporter's boss to silence
the reporter that the check was done.

He may not have the education to do background
checks but it looks like he's gaining the experience.

Really? John Charley trying to silence reporters? Sounds like somebody's paranoia meter needs readjusted again. Any guess who HAS hounded a reporter when a recently published story DIDN"T slant things his way? Somebody needs to stop projecting their character traits on others.


That's the story!!! He was livid that he wasn't mentioned. Good God what a megalomaniac.
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PostSubject: Re: Gulch Gestapo Swoops into Ward 2   Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:59 pm

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... People were fidgeting and getting bored as he went on and on and on...

My understanding is that, indeed, other people did want to speak that night, but Jeff Harris evidently believed that their views were insignificant compared to what HE had to say.

Jeff believed he had the right to hijack and monopolize the meeting.worship

In so doing, he infringed upon his fellow citizens' right to express their opinions.
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PostSubject: What a maroon   Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:16 pm

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PostSubject: In Shock   Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:04 pm

I just never believe the things they come up with. It surpasses anything approaching reality. Are they that out of touch that they actually see the world opposite of the way other people viewed the events? They get more and more bizarre.
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PostSubject: Re: Gulch Gestapo Swoops into Ward 2   Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:58 pm

I'm not sure what reality Tratten is living in, even the editor had to post a note at the bottom of the article stating that this meeting was advertised twice in the paper by the city. Also letters were sent out to all people who live or own businesses on Arizona Street informing them of the meeting, plus the regular city postings of the meeting.

That audience was fed up with Harris. Councilmember Porter trying to quell the growing impatience of the crowd, simply asked Harris what was his question.

Of course Tratten mentions some of the city officials there, he forgets to mention Rodgers and Giacomino, who ran a great meeting.

I get out and about a lot, and I can tell you the public at large is getting fed up with the distortions that a few people are perpetrating.

It was a great meeting, except for Harris blabbing something about getting rid of the street department, and taking the city to the attorney generals office.

I doubt that Tratten even knows that the rehabilitation of Arzona Street is being funded with almost 2.7 million dollars, gathered in by this city staff through competitive grants.These grants{ TIP, and Enhancement} were not easy to get, and other governmental entities were very disappointed that Bisbee scored a coup and got all of this TIP grant. Hats off to John Charley, Melanie Green, Jeff Scwartz , Russ McConnel, and Steve Pauken.

Tratten should be saying thank-you to this city administration. The bashing of this staff and council for a major project, almost entirely funded from outside sources, to dramatically improve our city, is beyond my comprehension. I hope staff and council keep a positive state of mind, and continues on with the rebuilding of the infrastructure of Bisbee, and not let these few people distort the reality that Bisbee has one of the best city staffs in all of America.

The overwheilming majority of the people of this community believe this city staff is owed a lot of gratitude for a job well done. The auditor stated at a council meeting that Bisbee deserves an A+, for it's financial condition, I can say that Bisbee's city staff deserves an A+ in every field of city administration. Thank-you Mr. Pauken, and every employee of this city.

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PostSubject: My thank-you to City Hall Staff and Employees   Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:00 am

I too would like to express my thanks to our City Hall Staff and Employees for their dedication in all areas of our government. It is unbelievable that Harris short bus screams he shocked chicken is harassed and maligned when he shocked chicken will stop at nothing lies to tarnish the reputation of all the City Hall Staff and employees any chance he gets. I don't know this Tratton guy asshole , but I believe he is friends with Shaley Downson and Dena Shoving. Jeff Harris probably encouraged him to write the letter writing since even he knew it couldn't come from him.
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